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Barmitzvah Boy

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Interesting article by John Ashmore of CapX. A fascinating read:

“Don't you just love massive multinational corporations?

Not content with providing for our every need during the pandemic, from food deliveries to free video conferencing and endless cut-price entertainment, those dastardly capitalists have now come up trumps with what looks like a working Covid vaccine.

First, a note of caution. Pfizer and BioNTech's treatment has shown 90% efficacy - ie in trial conditions - but it's still relatively early days and its real-world effectiveness may be somewhat lower. Distribution and storage will also be tricky, especially as it has to be kept at a very low temperature. How that will be managed in hot, poor and sparsely populated countries will be a particular challenge.

Then again, Pfizer isn't the only Big Pharma behemoth with a chance of success. Firms such as Moderna and AstraZeneca also have promising vaccines in late stage trials. And the fact we're even talking about a successful treatment less than a year since the outbreak is as staggering as it is cheering, given that until now vaccines have typically taken more than 10 years to develop.

It's a tribute not just to the skill of these companies' scientists, but to their managerial flexibility. BioNTech's chief executive Uğur Şahin decided at a stroke to divert his firm's resources from cancer treatment to tackling coronavirus, a decision that might have taken far longer in a less agile organisation. The ability to act speedily was also behind Pfizer's decision not to take any money from the US federal government (though naturally Donald Trump is claiming credit anyway). CEO Albert Bourla said he wanted to avoid the bureaucratic 'strings' that accompany public money and 'liberate' his staff to concentrate on the project itself - and it's hard to argue with the results.

This isn't about some crude public bad/private good dichotomy. Much of the research that underpins medical advances is undertaken by public bodies and taxpayer-funded researchers (though, of course, most 'public' money is ultimately levied from the private sector). Equally, as Helen Dale wrote for CapX this week, several governments have proven nimble and well organised at handling the virus, while others have demonstrably not.

However, the Spectator's Matthew Lynn rightly notes that only the pharmaceutical 'mega corporation', with its combination of size, logistics and expertise, could have delivered this particular project in this timescale. The industry certainly has its faults - exorbitant US drug prices springs to mind - but we shouldn't be shy about pointing out where things work well, and learning why.

Rather than praise this historic achievement, however, some are raging at the notion that private companies should be producing a vaccine for profit. One popular leftwing columnist greeted the news of a working vaccine by declaring that the pharmaceutical industry is 'dysfunctional and morally bankrupt', which was certainly an oddly timed critique.

Oxfam, which is now as much a leftwing pressure group as a charity, insists rather vaguely on the need for a 'People's Vaccine' - though it's not clear how companies who have sunk billions into vaccines should be compensated for their outlay (as it happens, AstraZeneca are suggesting their vaccine will be available for a mere $3 to $5 a pop, Oxfam might just get their wish anyway).

One typical attack is that pharmaceutical companies are 'profiteering' by charging customers for life-saving treatments, as if making money from medicine is itself an abominable concept. It's a pretty flimsy argument - you might as well have a go at supermarkets for profiting from hunger by selling us food, or cobblers for profiting from our preference for not going barefoot.

More to the point, if Pfizer hadn't made profits before, they wouldn't have the huge resources that enable them to develop this vaccine in such a short space of time. Nor do those critics seem to realise the amount of money such companies invest in medicines that don't make it to market. Covid is a case in point: there are 11 late stage trial vaccines now, but back in May there were 150 different treatments being researched at considerable cost to the companies involved.

In any case, whatever profit these companies make from their vaccines will be absolutely dwarfed by the products' utility to consumers and governments. The $13bn Pfizer and BioNTech stands to make in sales next year sounds like a lot, but it's a drop in the ocean compared to the trillions governments have spent trying to keep Covid at bay.

We rightly hold companies' feet to the fire when they get things wrong, but we should also celebrate where things go right. Perhaps we can mark this week's good news by gathering your nearest and dearest for a rousing, nationwide 'clap for corporations'.

No? Well, it was worth a shot.”

John Ashmore
Editor, CapX
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Exactly right. Time will tell if the corners cut have not cost user safety but 'profit' is what makes the world go around, by the same token 'profit' has become a dirty word in the minds of the socialist influenced masses. People who have never run a business in their lives believe there is something immoral about their bosses and hold an automatic resentment toward them. Few ever feel the need to consider that investment leads to profit and profit leads to investment. It's a time honoured relationship.
There is a parallel within football. Supporters always require the owners to dig deep and support their club financially through difficult times but when success is achieved and profits made,they then resent the owners taking a return on their investment / gamble.
 

Drog

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ODB, Cronulla is one of the best beaches (imo) in the Sydney area
It looks nice but imo beaches are solely for viewing or for casting fishing lures from. Walking on, sitting on, picknicking on is just horrible.
 

davebirch

Senior Member
It looks nice but imo beaches are solely for viewing or for casting fishing lures from. Walking on, sitting on, picknicking on is just horrible.
or surfing from, but drog, you could enjoy any of those things you think are "horrible". They are, without doubt, something to be enjoyed, whatever your past time.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
Reading in a bar under a vine sunscreen with a long cool beer and an outside temp in the 80's is as close to a beach as I want to get to. If I want a swim on holiday then it's the hotel pool.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
London in Tier 3... just in time for Christmas.

I think one thing we know about Covid-19 is that it's persistent. Every country / city / town that has thought it has got it licked and relaxes has seen it return with a vengeance.
 

Drog

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Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
We will be in tier three permanently until the vaccination process has kicked in, you mark my words. Oh and if the BAME lot don’t want the vaccine that’s fine as it will put me nearer to the front of the queue.
 

Drog

Administrator
Staff member
And hopefully to the back of the queue at Plessy crem.
btw I walked past there with the dog yesterday and I must say there's been an awful lot of digging around the muslim section.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023
I have found a queue calculator for the vaccine.
Unfortunately it would appear that there are at least 20,000,000 people before me in the queue!
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021, 2022 & 2023

Alan

Administrator
Staff member
According to that I should be vaccinated before the end of January. Between 4.3 and 6 million in front of me.
 
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