London Bridge + South London Incidents (Terrorism)

[Vinjay]

More terrorism apparently. More like the Westminster Bridge incident than Manchester Arena.

I have a relative who was at the Etihad this evening (so its been on my mind slightly but I'm fairly logical about odds) but this is another reminder all terrorists need is wide open public space and a vehicle. How can anyone really prevent this kind of thing?

 

[yoda]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3717339/london-bridge-attack-car-police-response-latest/

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

More victims on the altar of the multiculturalism ideal.

How many attacks do the major parties need to consider mass immigration an entirely unwanted approach? 1 a week? 1 a day? Or will/can that never be an option for some reason totally unbeknownst to me.

What with the Tories post-manifesto squirming around the 100,000 target, I'd vote UKIP without a second thought like I did last time if it wasn't for Brexit needing to be secured.

 

[Vinjay]

More victims on the altar of the multiculturalism ideal.

How many attacks do the major parties need to consider mass immigration an entirely unwanted approach? 1 a week? 1 a day? Or will/can that never be an option for some reason totally unbeknownst to me.

What with the Tories post-manifesto squirming around the 100,000 target, I'd vote UKIP without a second thought like I did last time if it wasn't for Brexit needing to be secured.

A caller on Sky News saying he does not believe there is any chance this was an accident. Certainly if anyone thought that initially they wouldn't have after hearing shots fired. I'm guessing it is ISIS related but you know BAWH there are people like Anders Breivik who do this kind of thing too.

 

[Tom]

Awful fucking horrific scum, not sure what but something will give soon

I just hope for once we can try and not point score against each other, the threads here and brfcs are full of it

The cunts behind this would revel in the sort of division it's causing

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

"An eyewitness told LBC radio what he saw tonight.
The taxi driver said: "A van came from London Bridge itself, went between the traffic light system and rammed it towards the steps. It knocked loads of people down.
"Then three men got out with long blades, 12 inches long and went randomly along Borough High Street stabbing people at random.""

Good god, expecting a horrific body count tomorrow.

 

[Vinjay]

Might be other journalists but people filming with phones as the police yell at people to leave. Live footage this is...

No deaths have been confirmed yet. Someone has just been taken into custody though it might have been one of the aforementioned street bystanders.

To note further on Breivik he has been referred to as a terrorist. So I'm not making it a colour thing but when you think of terrorism its logical to immediately think of ISIS.

 

[yoda]

Awful fucking horrific scum, not sure what but something will give soon

I just hope for once we can try and not point score against each other, the threads here and brfcs are full of it

The cunts behind this would revel in the sort of division it's causing

How can there be division, these scum need exterminating period

 

[Vinjay]

How can there be division, these scum need exterminating period

Yeah but the problem is Yoda that suicidal terrorists (assuming the people behind this are the type willing to die in the aftermath bombs or not) don't generally announce it beforehand.

 

[yoda]

Looks like it is at least 3 separate incidents

 

[yoda]

Yeah but the problem is Yoda that suicidal terrorists (assuming the people behind this are the type willing to die in the aftermath bombs or not) don't generally announce it beforehand.

23,000 suspected terrorists in the UK, pretty sure where we need to start looking

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

I just hope for once we can try and not point score against each other, the threads here and brfcs are full of it

I've read this kind of thing a lot in the aftermath of terrorist attacks but don't personally understand it. Like anything else in the world, terrorist attacks are connected to a wider issue.

If, for example, football hooliganism saw a re-emergence in the form of a series of large-scale violent incidents, there wouldn't be a prohibition from discussing the wider issue on moral grounds. In fact that's one of the first things everyone would do, including the football authorities and the government. "Should we ban alcohol sales inside grounds", "Should we crack down on persistent standing", "Should more kick-offs be moved to 12:30pm" etc.

This is the 3rd terrorist attack we've had in 6 weeks in England. Personally far from it being banned, I think its owed to the victims among others to start doing something to tackle the wider issues, which requires discussion of them as a minimum.

 

[yoda]

I've read this kind of thing a lot in the aftermath of terrorist attacks but don't personally understand it. Like anything else in the world, terrorist attacks are connected to a wider issue.

If, for example, football hooliganism saw a re-emergence in the form of a series of large-scale violent incidents, there wouldn't be a prohibition from discussing the wider issue on moral grounds. In fact that's one of the first things everyone would do, including the football authorities and the government. "Should we ban alcohol sales inside grounds", "Should we crack down on persistent standing", "Should more kick-offs be moved to 12:30pm" etc.

This is the 3rd terrorist attack we've had in 6 weeks in England. Personally far from it being banned, I think its owed to the victims among others to start doing something to tackle the wider issues, which requires discussion of them as a minimum.

The leftards will do their utmost to shut down any debate/discussion on the subject

 

[Vinjay]

Football hooliganism at its most violent never resulted in several deaths. Not in this country though obviously Heysel was a direct result of hooliganism. The fences at Hillsborough of course had been erected due to hooliganism but the incident itself wasn't down to violence.

There's more CCTV now of course too which puts off several people its not just demographic changes. That puts people off and those meeting to fight probably arrange a site away from stadiums these days. That makes it easier for police too. Know this won't happen but could arrange a big cage for people who want to fight. Then have them sign a waiver refusing them free NHS treatment for injuries, etc. Of course that's a silly example and hooligans fighting illegally do so partly because they enjoy doing something illegal!

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Football hooliganism at its most violent never resulted in several deaths. Not in this country though obviously Heysel was a direct result of hooliganism. The fences at Hillsborough of course had been erected due to hooliganism but

There's more CCTV now of course too which puts off several people its not just demographic changes. That puts people off and those meeting to fight probably arrange a site away from stadiums these days. That makes it easier for police too. Know this won't happen but could arrange a big cage for people who want to fight. Then have them sign a waiver refusing them free NHS treatment for injuries, etc. Of course that's a silly example and hooligans fighting illegally do so partly because they enjoy doing something illegal!

Was just an example. Was just making the point that using specific incidents to identify a trend happens all the time, is entirely logical and very advisable if you ask me.

Whats happening tonight, the MEN attack and the Westminster attack are specific incidents that are part of a trend of rising Islamic extremism in the UK which is clearly something that needs discussing. Whether those discussions result in "FFS lets do something! (like limit immigration to 50,000 per year)" or result in "Nah its fine, as you were", it still needs discussing in the context of the trend these incidents show.

What I can't buy is that these incidents have nothing to do with anything, are a species of random insanity, and we should respond to them as we would a natural disaster. Sympathise with the victims, praise the emergency services, hashtag I love "insert City" on twitter and then carry on as though they never happened.

 

[Vinjay]

Was just an example. Was just making the point that using specific incidents to identify a trend happens all the time, is entirely logical and very advisable if you ask me.

Whats happening tonight, the MEN attack and the Westminster attack are specific incidents that are part of a trend of rising Islamic extremism in the UK which is clearly something that needs discussing. Whether those discussions result in "FFS lets do something! (like limit immigration to 50,000 per year)" or result in "Nah its fine, as you were", it still needs discussing in the context of the trend these incidents show.

What I can't buy is that these incidents have nothing to do with anything, are a species of random insanity, and we should respond to them as we would a natural disaster. Sympathise with the victims, praise the emergency services, hashtag I love "insert City" on twitter and then carry on as though they never happened.

Yeah I'm getting a bit tired of such hashtags almost like there's a checklist for how people react these days.

I certainly believe in immigration controls though that's not racist. The humanitarians obviously oppose immigration but while you can sympathise with refugees (certainly those who are fleeing war zones) you have to think about number 1. Its a major issue on a sustainability level not just a reaction to extremists, etc. I would say the same about Eastern European refugees (certainly when the conflict with Serbians, etc was at its height) and the increasing Polish population who aren't even refugees to begin with. Of course some people have skills they capitalise on to enter the UK (surgeons, scientists, etc) but I'm sure even that could be open to more vetting/restrictions.

Of course with the upcoming EU exit there's even less excuse for not reducing immigration numbers.

EDIT-Changed the title from London Bridge incident to reflect the wider area effected. Also London Bridge is not Tower Bridge apparently the 2 are often confused. The current London Bridge (had previous versions) was built in 1973 and isn't quite the landmark Tower Bridge is.

 

[Vinjay]

Not changing the title everytime there's updates but the incident in Vauxhall wasn't terrorism related. The incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market are. The incident at London Bridge has witnesses saying there were 3 men with knifes (who got out a van after running over several people) and they yelled "this is for Allah."

Sky News have reported some blasts but they are probably controlled explosions.

 

[ABBEY]

And that prick corbyn like that Muppet in south Korea(brfcs) wants to sit down with these evil bastards and have a brew .
Interment or hang every devil on the list .

 

[ABBEY]

This is for Allah.....

Words that any god that's good would condem

 

[ABBEY]

Jizz sprouting shite again...."we " created this ourselves and it's nothing to do with religeon ...erm I would say the words this is for Allah certainly is . Who is this Allah dude if he's not religious.