Absolutely. One bad apple doesn't necessarily spoil the whole crop my friend.
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The real Brexit thread
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Thanks yoda that was really interesting. Pity it ran out of inside knowledge towards the end. Incidentally I also worked for Foster, Yates & Thom who are also featured. Another excellent Blackburn engineering company that went by the wayside, this time due to being asset stripped by London bankers I believe but that was after I had moved on.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
Makes no sense. They're all the same Nasty Party.
More southern Tories screwing the north. And you still vote for them.
OnlyOneTugay
Prediction Champion 2019 & 2020
In one of your earlier posts you said you’d voted Conservative more often than not Chris . How do you reconcile that ?
It was written by a Director called Peter Harrison. Did he leave or does he not count as an insider?
Cat got yer tongue?
Peter left before I joined, retired I think, but I heard about him. It's not surprising that he did not know about the later history.
"Brexit: is Tony Blair the man to stop it?
“It took Brexiteers 41 years to secure and win a vote on the UK leaving the European project,” said George Eaton in the New Statesman. “Remainers have less than a year to achieve the reverse.” Tony Blair is all too aware of this pressing deadline. Last week, he called 2018 “the year when the fate of Brexit, and thus of Britain, will be decided” as he launched his own concerted effort to halt the withdrawal process. The former prime minister published a 32-page document in which he claimed that Brexit was already damaging the economy by, among other things, lowering productivity, causing staff shortages in the NHS, increasing food prices and deterring investment. Arguing that, as the costs of Brexit become clearer, Leave voters might be persuaded that leaving the EU was not such a good idea after all, Blair urged Labour to start campaigning for a second referendum.
I wish Blair were right, said Owen Jones in The Guardian. It would be great if we could move beyond the divisive, and excruciatingly dull, Brexit issue. But the referendum result can’t just be wished away. For the Government to renege on its clear promise to implement what voters decided would be seen as “a coup against democracy” – and not just by Leavers. A second referendum would generate even more bad blood than the last one. Blair and the rest of the pro-eu elite have learnt nothing, said The Daily Telegraph. Blair’s New Labour government helped bring Brexit about by massively increasing immigration levels and by leading us “further into Europe without proper consultation”. Yet even now, after the economic crash predicted by the advocates of Project Fear has failed to materialise, he thinks he can win people over by voicing tendentious warnings about the costs of withdrawing from the EU.
Blair is ill-suited to lead this fightback, as he himself concedes, said Philip Collins in The Times. The role should really be filled not by a true believer, but by a reluctant convert – someone who was once all for Britain quitting the EU, but who has now come round to the other way of thinking. Step forward, Jeremy Corbyn. The job is his for the asking, but sadly he seems unwilling to step into the breach. You can see why, said Katy Balls in The Spectator. After all, by refusing to nail his colours to the mast, Corbyn is managing to retain the loyalty both of party members, who are overwhelmingly in favour of another referendum, and the large number of working-class voters who favour Brexit. But this strategy can’t be sustained indefinitely. For all his shortcomings as a messenger, Blair is right to point out that Labour “will eventually have to make a choice."
(The Week)
This definition fits imo..............
megalomania
noun
“It took Brexiteers 41 years to secure and win a vote on the UK leaving the European project,” said George Eaton in the New Statesman. “Remainers have less than a year to achieve the reverse.” Tony Blair is all too aware of this pressing deadline. Last week, he called 2018 “the year when the fate of Brexit, and thus of Britain, will be decided” as he launched his own concerted effort to halt the withdrawal process. The former prime minister published a 32-page document in which he claimed that Brexit was already damaging the economy by, among other things, lowering productivity, causing staff shortages in the NHS, increasing food prices and deterring investment. Arguing that, as the costs of Brexit become clearer, Leave voters might be persuaded that leaving the EU was not such a good idea after all, Blair urged Labour to start campaigning for a second referendum.
I wish Blair were right, said Owen Jones in The Guardian. It would be great if we could move beyond the divisive, and excruciatingly dull, Brexit issue. But the referendum result can’t just be wished away. For the Government to renege on its clear promise to implement what voters decided would be seen as “a coup against democracy” – and not just by Leavers. A second referendum would generate even more bad blood than the last one. Blair and the rest of the pro-eu elite have learnt nothing, said The Daily Telegraph. Blair’s New Labour government helped bring Brexit about by massively increasing immigration levels and by leading us “further into Europe without proper consultation”. Yet even now, after the economic crash predicted by the advocates of Project Fear has failed to materialise, he thinks he can win people over by voicing tendentious warnings about the costs of withdrawing from the EU.
Blair is ill-suited to lead this fightback, as he himself concedes, said Philip Collins in The Times. The role should really be filled not by a true believer, but by a reluctant convert – someone who was once all for Britain quitting the EU, but who has now come round to the other way of thinking. Step forward, Jeremy Corbyn. The job is his for the asking, but sadly he seems unwilling to step into the breach. You can see why, said Katy Balls in The Spectator. After all, by refusing to nail his colours to the mast, Corbyn is managing to retain the loyalty both of party members, who are overwhelmingly in favour of another referendum, and the large number of working-class voters who favour Brexit. But this strategy can’t be sustained indefinitely. For all his shortcomings as a messenger, Blair is right to point out that Labour “will eventually have to make a choice."
(The Week)
This definition fits imo..............
megalomania
noun
- obsession with the exercise of power.
synonyms: delusions of grandeur, obsessionalism, grandiosity, grandioseness; More- delusion about one's own power or importance (typically as a symptom of manic or paranoid disorder).
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
It was funny watching Macron giving May the runaround at Sandhurst yesterday.
Macron said if Britain wants special access for its financial services industry to the EU single market after Brexit, it will have to obey all of the bloc’s rules, adding: “Be my guest.”
Macron said if Britain wants special access for its financial services industry to the EU single market after Brexit, it will have to obey all of the bloc’s rules, adding: “Be my guest.”
yoda
Senior Member
Except that the City is the EU's banker
Macron eh? Do you class him as belonging to the working class John?
yoda
Senior Member
It's a positive when looked at in depth Drog
President Macron and Theresa May have agreed to continue and strengthen the agreement which allows British border officers to inspect lorries and cars in Calais in order to prevent illegal immigrants flooding into Britain.
This has totally demolished yet another of the favourite Remoaner scare stories that France was going shut down British border facilities in Calais, that there would then be no way to control immigrants and tens of thousands of illegals would flood into Britain, setting up camps all around Dover, Folkestone and around Kent
Even Macron joined in the anti-Brexit fun, promising to do just that during his Presidential election campaign.
However, now he is in power he has realised, just as Brexiteers explained to our rather thick, over excited Remoaners, that such a move would be immensely damaging to Calais, to other French channel ports and to the Northern Region of France, who have got so fed up with illegal immigrants causing economic and social chaos that they have been voting in large numbers for the National Front.
Not only has Macron agreed to continue the agreement, but for an extra £45 he and May have agreed to greatly strengthen security with the CCTV and patrols etc. , but also to significantly tighten and speed up the vetting process for immigrant applicants and to “remove” from the region those that failed (that may be a euphemism fif “deport” from France and the EU).
So this new Anglo-French agreement means that illegal immigration through the French ports is going to be very greatly reduced and the scandalous camps in France will disappear.
Most of us would say that is £45 million very well spent indeed.
Goodness knows how many illegals have found their way into Britain via Channel crossings. By many estimates there are more than a million illegal economic migrants in Britain working in the Black economy, undercutting and holding down the wages of British workers.
The politicians in Norther France have also called for a good trade deal with Brita8n, because their economies are so dependent on cross channel exports and imports.
So another very good thing, which was not included in most Remainer BBC, SKY news coverage, is that this deal paves the way for a good trade deal with the EU - President Macron spoke very enthusiastically about the vital importance of British-French collaboration in trade and research etc. as well as about Anglo-French security and military cooperation.
Of course he still supports the EU hard line to keep out British financial services, so there is going to be some very hard bargaining around that.
The EU really cannot have their cake and eat it - open access for their huge trade surplus in goods to their largest and most profitable export market, but no Quid Pro Quo on financial services.
President Macron and Theresa May have agreed to continue and strengthen the agreement which allows British border officers to inspect lorries and cars in Calais in order to prevent illegal immigrants flooding into Britain.
This has totally demolished yet another of the favourite Remoaner scare stories that France was going shut down British border facilities in Calais, that there would then be no way to control immigrants and tens of thousands of illegals would flood into Britain, setting up camps all around Dover, Folkestone and around Kent
Even Macron joined in the anti-Brexit fun, promising to do just that during his Presidential election campaign.
However, now he is in power he has realised, just as Brexiteers explained to our rather thick, over excited Remoaners, that such a move would be immensely damaging to Calais, to other French channel ports and to the Northern Region of France, who have got so fed up with illegal immigrants causing economic and social chaos that they have been voting in large numbers for the National Front.
Not only has Macron agreed to continue the agreement, but for an extra £45 he and May have agreed to greatly strengthen security with the CCTV and patrols etc. , but also to significantly tighten and speed up the vetting process for immigrant applicants and to “remove” from the region those that failed (that may be a euphemism fif “deport” from France and the EU).
So this new Anglo-French agreement means that illegal immigration through the French ports is going to be very greatly reduced and the scandalous camps in France will disappear.
Most of us would say that is £45 million very well spent indeed.
Goodness knows how many illegals have found their way into Britain via Channel crossings. By many estimates there are more than a million illegal economic migrants in Britain working in the Black economy, undercutting and holding down the wages of British workers.
The politicians in Norther France have also called for a good trade deal with Brita8n, because their economies are so dependent on cross channel exports and imports.
So another very good thing, which was not included in most Remainer BBC, SKY news coverage, is that this deal paves the way for a good trade deal with the EU - President Macron spoke very enthusiastically about the vital importance of British-French collaboration in trade and research etc. as well as about Anglo-French security and military cooperation.
Of course he still supports the EU hard line to keep out British financial services, so there is going to be some very hard bargaining around that.
The EU really cannot have their cake and eat it - open access for their huge trade surplus in goods to their largest and most profitable export market, but no Quid Pro Quo on financial services.
Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
It is depressing that it takes a foreign leader to state in simple terms what a folly the Brexit "have cake and eat it" is.
Macron has simply repeated a truth universally acknowledged (except by Brexiteers) that the single market (as the name suggest) is a complete package of shared rules and a shared ultimate referee (the ECJ).
If one doesn't want to use the shared rules and refuses the authority of the referee, by definition one cannot be part of the single market. The sooner the UK recognises the trade-offs of the various options, the better. The choices are fairly clear and have been presented over and over again, now it's the time for the UK to make up its mind where it wants to be.
In any case, we’ve got the Bayeaux Tapestry............got them on the ropes now boys!
Chris
Macron has simply repeated a truth universally acknowledged (except by Brexiteers) that the single market (as the name suggest) is a complete package of shared rules and a shared ultimate referee (the ECJ).
If one doesn't want to use the shared rules and refuses the authority of the referee, by definition one cannot be part of the single market. The sooner the UK recognises the trade-offs of the various options, the better. The choices are fairly clear and have been presented over and over again, now it's the time for the UK to make up its mind where it wants to be.
In any case, we’ve got the Bayeaux Tapestry............got them on the ropes now boys!
Chris
darrenrover
Senior Member
The 'single market' is economic and ensures tariff free trade amongst those signed up to and included in it. It's a 2 way street surely and would be mutually beneficial to both the EU and UK to be a part. Is it a 'complete package' for Norway for example? Is it bollocks!
darrenrover
Senior Member
Some interesting statistics for consideration regarding the single market and what would benefit who when push really comes to shove:
In 2016 The UK worldwide exports totalled $405 billion and imports $625 billion. I've chosen a few key European counties comparing exports from UK with imports to the UK from the same countries of origin, the figures are in billions with our export figure first followed by the figure of our imports originating in the same country:
France: $26.5, $35.63
Germany: $43.8, $94.1
Italy: $13, $24.38
Spain: $13, $21.25
Netherlands: $25.5, $40
Belgium: $15.8, $35.4
Who has really got the whip hand? Sooner or later one or all of them are going to tell the 'little lads' to shut the feck up because of their own self interest. Solidarity my backside, we'll soon see. As a tactic, I'd walk from the table to bring them to heal but I doubt anyone has the balls to do so. Just my thoughts for what they're worth.
In 2016 The UK worldwide exports totalled $405 billion and imports $625 billion. I've chosen a few key European counties comparing exports from UK with imports to the UK from the same countries of origin, the figures are in billions with our export figure first followed by the figure of our imports originating in the same country:
France: $26.5, $35.63
Germany: $43.8, $94.1
Italy: $13, $24.38
Spain: $13, $21.25
Netherlands: $25.5, $40
Belgium: $15.8, $35.4
Who has really got the whip hand? Sooner or later one or all of them are going to tell the 'little lads' to shut the feck up because of their own self interest. Solidarity my backside, we'll soon see. As a tactic, I'd walk from the table to bring them to heal but I doubt anyone has the balls to do so. Just my thoughts for what they're worth.
blueandwhitehalves
Senior Member
1 million illegal immigrants per year entering Europe from North African and Middle Eastern terrorist hotbeds
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A proven desire from these immigrants to favour the UK (hence the existence of the Calais camp)
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Future EU immigration that long term comes to resemble current non-EU immigration: unskilled, large family size and bringing the intrinsically anti-western Islam.
Secure the EU's borders and I'll jump on board "Chris". But you won't ever countenance such a thing when your leftist-approved procedure is to retreat to a homogenously white ivory tower (in your case the Ribble Valley) and dispense virtue signalling, open borders fanatacism from there.
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A proven desire from these immigrants to favour the UK (hence the existence of the Calais camp)
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Future EU immigration that long term comes to resemble current non-EU immigration: unskilled, large family size and bringing the intrinsically anti-western Islam.
Secure the EU's borders and I'll jump on board "Chris". But you won't ever countenance such a thing when your leftist-approved procedure is to retreat to a homogenously white ivory tower (in your case the Ribble Valley) and dispense virtue signalling, open borders fanatacism from there.
Recovered from that disgustingly disrespectful post on the "rest peacefully" thread have you and back to pontificating your views to those who know better than you?
Check this out..... a cocky Lord Haw Haw earlier in ww 2.
and now the final broadcast from an obviously defeated and dispirited individual (soon to have his neck stretched) . The second sentence is priceless! Why has this popped into my head I wonder?
Oh! btw John that Lord Haw Haw...... was he working class?
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Benjamin Kaynine
Senior Member
That headline is misleading as you would expect from a right wing pro-Brexit "newspaper".
Macron said over and over and over the exact opposite of what the headline of this article suggests. He's being polite about it, of course (in sharp contrast to the nasty blowhards in the Tory party), but his message is loud and clear and doesn't differ any way from what Juncker, Barnier, and Merkel have been saying.
The exercise above doesn't even rise to the level of reading tea leaves. It takes a three-word phrase ("your own solution") out of context and spins a bit of fake news around it.
Chris
Macron said over and over and over the exact opposite of what the headline of this article suggests. He's being polite about it, of course (in sharp contrast to the nasty blowhards in the Tory party), but his message is loud and clear and doesn't differ any way from what Juncker, Barnier, and Merkel have been saying.
The exercise above doesn't even rise to the level of reading tea leaves. It takes a three-word phrase ("your own solution") out of context and spins a bit of fake news around it.
Chris