Big Sam

[Vinjay]

Nothing wrong with Everton fans having a high opinion of their club. I wish Rovers fans did particularly while being brainwashed by the Walker family influenced trust. I don't find a self deprecating mentality to be admirable especially when its taken way beyond justifiable levels. While Newcastle fans do the opposite taking it too far and acting like St James' Park is the grand cathedral of World football its still better than mind numbing belittlement. As I've said before belittlement has no upside and will serve to drive more people away than attract them. Not saying people should outright lie (or say something silly like Rovers are bigger than Barcelona) but they could at least avoid belittling Rovers every chance they get. Here's looking at you Theno!

I think Everton fans were fools for welcoming Rooney back and total hypocrites but they are right to complain about Allardyce. Seriously did they solely need to depend on him to pick up their form a bit? With those players (who Allardyce has been blaming after bad results rather than himself) its hardly a miracle they improved somewhat.

As for Dyche he's boring but that helps him fit in there even more. Why would anyone buy Burnley with that dreary name hardly a marketer's dream. I don't think they will tire of Dyche unless his results decline and even then they would probably have some expectation of getting back up. I don't see why any clubs (you have to take things like marketing into account and image) at Arsenal's level (replacing Wenger with Dyche its beyond laughable to propose) for instance would want him. They can get in managers from major European clubs or gamble on someone who's had similar success to Dyche but with a face that won't turn anyone with an advanced marketing qualification away.

 

[Drog]

I think Big Sam's love child is currently Big Sean, another no nonsense 'clogger' from his playing days. On Saturday the apprentice got one over on the master . Having said that Big Sean has had 5 years ( ?) to mould Burnley into one of the best run , best managed clubs in the country . Fancy that, the Dingles, yes the Dingles , with their hands out waiting for the next £100 million plus . I can just hear their fans - " yeah but it's not worth it , crap football , Fat Sean is a hoofster " Unfortunately highly unlikely . Yes there were quite a lot of empty seats at Turf Moor on Saturday , but that's down to a poor support base

Everton fans have always had a high opinion of themselves and their club. - The School of Science and all that . Big Sam comes in gets them out of relegation trouble and now their fans say " Hold on we're the School of Science - get rid " When will these clubs ever learn ? Get rid of Big Sam and you'll end up lower than you were when he left - maybe Everton think they'll be the exception to the rule.

I hope and pray the Dingles do get too big for their boots , think they should be playing the football they did under Harry Potts and Jimmy Adamson and get rid of Big Sean .

I'd suggest that Sams only at Everton anyway cos they couldn't afford Dyche's remuneration.

 

[Drog]

Nothing wrong with Everton fans having a high opinion of their club. I wish Rovers fans did particularly while being brainwashed by the Walker family influenced trust. I don't find a self deprecating mentality to be admirable especially when its taken way beyond justifiable levels. While Newcastle fans do the opposite taking it too far and acting like St James' Park is the grand cathedral of World football its still better than mind numbing belittlement. As I've said before belittlement has no upside and will serve to drive more people away than attract them. Not saying people should outright lie (or say something silly like Rovers are bigger than Barcelona) but they could at least avoid belittling Rovers every chance they get. Here's looking at you Theno!

You call it 'belittlement' I prefer 'pragmatism'. Everyone else can make their own minds up.

btw watched the second half of Burnley v Everton and I'd suggest the big difference was attitude.

 

[khmerblue]

Oh dog it gets worse,Everton have so much cash,they could buy me.

 

[Drog]

I firmly believe that Burnley have made him untouchable. Perhaps in a 'profit' linked way that I suggested we should have when Hughes was here.... btw I was ridiculed like hell in the other place and especially by PhilipL. Time has proven my humble opinion to be some distance above his elevated pomposity I'd suggest.
Let's be honest here waggy.... if he'd had Dyche he'd have been spirited away long ago. How are Burnley standing fast?

 

[Vinjay]

You call it 'belittlement' I prefer 'pragmatism'. Everyone else can make their own minds up.

Well I'm calling it how I see it. There's no benefit attached to such remarks. At the very least just acknowledge that. I know you don't like me echoing sentiments like "think BIG" but I can't see what the downside is or why it would upset anyone. You might not want to get on board with that philosophy much but you don't have to do the extreme opposite either. How about just staying on the fence when it comes to issues like stature, etc? I complain because its insensitive. You just don't like people developing ideas above their so called station. You come across like those parents who try to discourage their child or at the very least temper ambitions. A kid might want to take acting lessons but they say "oh get a normal job" which you probably see as pragmatic. I think some parents don't want their kids to succeed too much because it might reflect on them badly in comparison. Inferiority complex its called. Some people might feel that way about themselves but in some cases they extend to those around them. Sometimes they might not feel inferior themselves but they like those around them to have that complex about themselves and what they are associated with.

I think either Dan Williams or Chris Ronnie spoke of putting Hughes on the board though I'm not sure how much of an incentive that would be alone. I don't think anyone is untouchable what's your backup option you're not talking about some kind of unbreakable deal right? The question with Hughes for me was how he would manage any big money budget (had that been in event of a takeover at Rovers or what ultimately happened) though people like Lingard refused to tolerate such questioning. Just as he repeatedly said John Williams couldn't be relegated and the trustees were perfect. Some managers work better on a lower budget and with Hughes that proved to be the case. He's kinda damaged goods at this point anyway despite recovering from the QPR debacle being sacked by Stoke shouldn't see him given another top flight job. Getting someone promoted from Championship may be a different matter of course.

I wouldn't have gone for Dyche at Everton either. Why the hell should they go for him? Its so short sighted just to look at a British coach when the PL is so beyond that philosophy now.

 

[Vinjay]

There's a reason the birth rate in Blackburn is so high. I think its because the sole ambition for many in the area is to have a couple of kids. Then they pass the mentality on to their children. I'm not being personal my Mother is probably a prime example and my siblings are as well. To be fair my Mother encouraged me to try hard at school even though she hated it herself and left with no qualifications. It would be unfair to say that's because of her parents as her Brothers have both had good (if not high profile) careers and would definitely be in the so called Middle Class income bracket. My Grandparents consistently worked in "normal jobs" their whole lifes but they were never exactly ambitious. They were certainly decent, upstanding people and never committed a crime in their lifes.

Todays society is different but Blackburn is still stuck in the age of "wife and 2 kids" mentality or in many cases single parent families. My Mum was a single parent not that it was entirely her fault. She married at 19 or 20 yrs old and had 2 children pretty quickly. Then that ended in divorce after about 4 years. She didn't truly love him really and he had an affair which led to the divorce.

Then she met my Father (it was more than just some one night stand but he never proposed) and was probably in a relationship (they never moved in full time together he had his own house) with him for about 3 years before she had me. My Dad wasn't a paternal man though and the relationship pretty much just fizzled out. He had no issues with my Brother but never played any paternal role. He didn't like my sister so there were no issues there either. Irony is I get on just fine with my sister but don't speak with my brother. I don't remember my Dad at all but strangely enough I've never been bitter about it. I wasn't an angry child and most of the things I've been angry about are things that changed for the worse.

I'm not paternal myself and my Mum certainly thinks there's similar characteristics. I know she certainly preferred my Father over the man she actually married. My siblings never had much of a relationship with their Dad (which I think they are more bitter than me about) though he made a bit more effort than mine and occasionally saw them. As for child support contributions my Mum never took any action (certainly not against my Father anyway and I don't think her ex husband paid anything for my siblings) which I'll just put down to stupidity. I didn't have a paternal figure (guess my Grandad would have been closest thing and like I've said he was a decent, normal man) as she didn't really seek any relationships after that besides one other man but I'm too young to remember him either. I really don't think my Father's absence has made me like I am. Kicks in the teeth I've lived through vividly have done that. Perhaps its the reason for my complete lack of paternal desires or instincts but then again maybe its just an inherited trait.

Anyway need to stop going off on non subject tangents. Its a bad habit.

 

[Alan]

Isn't the "ignore" facility wonderful?

 

[Drog]

Rather a contradictory statement Al if you don't mind me saying so.

 

[Drog]

There's a reason the birth rate in Blackburn is so high. I think its because the sole ambition for many in the area is to have a couple of kids. Then they pass the mentality on to their children. I'm not being personal my Mother is probably a prime example and my siblings are as well. To be fair my Mother encouraged me to try hard at school even though she hated it herself and left with no qualifications. It would be unfair to say that's because of her parents as her Brothers have both had good (if not high profile) careers and would definitely be in the so called Middle Class income bracket. My Grandparents consistently worked in "normal jobs" their whole lifes but they were never exactly ambitious. They were certainly decent, upstanding people and never committed a crime in their lifes.

Todays society is different but Blackburn is still stuck in the age of "wife and 2 kids" mentality or in many cases single parent families. My Mum was a single parent not that it was entirely her fault. She married at 19 or 20 yrs old and had 2 children pretty quickly. Then that ended in divorce after about 4 years. She didn't truly love him really and he had an affair which led to the divorce.

Then she met my Father (it was more than just some one night stand but he never proposed) and was probably in a relationship (they never moved in full time together he had his own house) with him for about 3 years before she had me. My Dad wasn't a paternal man though and the relationship pretty much just fizzled out. He had no issues with my Brother but never played any paternal role. He didn't like my sister so there were no issues there either. Irony is I get on just fine with my sister but don't speak with my brother. I don't remember my Dad at all but strangely enough I've never been bitter about it. I wasn't an angry child and most of the things I've been angry about are things that changed for the worse.

I'm not paternal myself and my Mum certainly thinks there's similar characteristics. I know she certainly preferred my Father over the man she actually married. My siblings never had much of a relationship with their Dad (which I think they are more bitter than me about) though he made a bit more effort than mine and occasionally saw them. As for child support contributions my Mum never took any action (certainly not against my Father anyway and I don't think her ex husband paid anything for my siblings) which I'll just put down to stupidity. I didn't have a paternal figure (guess my Grandad would have been closest thing and like I've said he was a decent, normal man) as she didn't really seek any relationships after that besides one other man but I'm too young to remember him either. I really don't think my Father's absence has made me like I am. Kicks in the teeth I've lived through vividly have done that. Perhaps its the reason for my complete lack of paternal desires or instincts but then again maybe its just an inherited trait.

Anyway need to stop going off on non subject tangents. Its a bad habit.

Thanks for enlightening us all Vinjay..... that was all very err..... interesting.

 

[Vinjay]

Rather a contradictory statement Al if you don't mind me saying so.

Sounds to me like he read my posts. Otherwise why bother bringing up the "ignore" option again he's already said he's used it on me.

Thanks for enlightening us all Vinjay..... that was very err..... interesting.

I shouldn't have turned it into my family tree but the social commentary was just supposed to explore the typical mindset of the Blackburn public. Like maybe why your attitude is like it is, etc and how its passed on. Not saying its exclusive but there's a lot of typically shared traits in the area like yours. For instance the nonsense that its a small town when it isn't yet so many people have this ingrained view. What if City Challenge ever succeeds? Obviously there's Ripon and Wells but that's different and they are much smaller than Blackburn in population anyway. Blackburn however must be the first modern day "small town" that could go to being a city overnight. I guess people would just call it a "small city" (at least that would be accurate) or just choose to ignore the new status entirely.

I honestly think being awarded city status would annoy a lot of local people. Just because they enjoy making deprecating remarks about the town and calling it "small" when it isn't. City status would spoil this bizarre enjoyment for many.

 

[Alan]

Rather a contradictory statement Al if you don't mind me saying so.

Helps me keep my temper and my composure. The "like" to your post shows it is recognised.

 

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[OnlyOneTugay]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

I've just had a quick look at the premiership table . Big Sam is doing the job again . Apart from the big 6 , you have Burnley having their best season since Bob Lord was around and then who comes next ? If the apprentice Big Sean wasn't doing a Big Sam , then Everton would be around where a club the size of Everton should be , just outside the top six.

After relegation worries , he's appointed and he's done it again . Southampton , Stoke and West Brom must be looking up and thinking , what if ? When the deluded fans at Everton force him out ( after all it is the School of Science ) which I'm pretty sure they will , one of the relegated teams should have the good sense to appoint him. Almost guaranteed to make an instant return if they do .

 

[Drog]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables
When the deluded fans at Everton force him out ( after all it is the School of Science ) which I'm pretty sure they will , one of the relegated teams should have the good sense to appoint him. Almost guaranteed to make an instant return if they do .

Of more value to one of the next 3 teams above I'd suggest. Funny isn't it how the pattern of his career continually repeats itself?

1. Appointed by a club who have found themselves in serious relegation threat caused by a poor previous manager who has lost the dressing room.

2. Turns the club around by invariably winning respect in the same dressing room with the same group of players and achieves safety.

2. Despised and betrayed by the noisy ovine mob behind the goals who saw him as a saviour just a few months earlier, watch little of any game but invariably buy the shirts.

3. Sacked and paid up by a weak board once the job was done and replaced by a Manager full of what inevitably turns out to be empty promises who is soon sacked and consigned to the history bin.

4. Appointed by another club in deep trouble and rescues them whilst the previous club suffers either relegation or certainly a dip in fortunes .....

5. Rinse and repeat.

It has left a lot of Directors wishing for a tardis. Lots of supporters looking at their reflection in mirrors for signs of guilt. And Sam with post of money and a smug expression. He's screwed up once in 30 years and it's been massive.

 

[ABBEY]

and I post negative

 

[yoda]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables

I've just had a quick look at the premiership table . Big Sam is doing the job again . Apart from the big 6 , you have Burnley having their best season since Bob Lord was around and then who comes next ? If the apprentice Big Sean wasn't doing a Big Sam , then Everton would be around where a club the size of Everton should be , just outside the top six.

After relegation worries , he's appointed and he's done it again . Southampton , Stoke and West Brom must be looking up and thinking , what if ? When the deluded fans at Everton force him out ( after all it is the School of Science ) which I'm pretty sure they will , one of the relegated teams should have the good sense to appoint him. Almost guaranteed to make an instant return if they do .

Or an aspiring newly promoted Championship club could try to take him on

 

[thairover]

Done exactly what it says on the tin & why he was contracted. Well done!

 

[Drog]

Or an aspiring newly promoted Championship club could try to take him on

Difficult to justify the sacking a manager who has just taken you to the promised land full of milk and honey.....Unless it's Colin Wanker when it becomes a pleasure.

 

[OnlyOneTugay]

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