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Discussion in 'General Sports' started by ABBEY, Mar 28, 2017.

  1. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    Warnie rates this guy. England have got to stick with him for a while at least.
    Isn't his coach Stuart McGill, who was a bigger turner of the ball than Warnie.
     
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  2. Wilpshire Blue

    Wilpshire Blue Senior Member

    I agree Dave. Half the problem is giving youngsters their big break and then expecting instant success, throwing them away if it doesn't happen.
     
  3. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    The Aussies and England will both need new coaches soon.
    In Australia, the are two current standouts for me:

    Jason Gillespie and.......
    can you guess who the second one is?
    Do you guys have any thoughts on who should coach England?
     
  4. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

    That’s a really tough one Dave . I don’t think cricket managers have the same sort of influence on performance as football managers . If they did , then for this bunch of average English test cricketers , I’d plump for a cricketing Big Sam

    England are up there with the best in white ball cricket so I think it needs to be a red ball expert. To me the holy grail of England cricket is to win in Australia , the new man when he starts in 2019 needs to target that .

    I thought Andy Flower was a fantastic manager & his partnership with Strauss was tremendous as far as test cricket went . I wonder if a Graham Thorpe / Joe Root combination might work . As a safe alternative Paul Farbrace did well before Bayliss took over .

    Having said all that if two world class quickies appear on the county circuit , along with a world class spinner it won’t matter who gets the job !

    Oh is it Jason Gillespie and Trevor Bayliss ?
     
  5. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

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  7. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    OOT, My other standout was Warnie.
    He has a cricket brain like no other, the only reason he didn't become the Aussie captain was his indiscretions.
    He would be the best of the best for coaching duties, and I don't think it would bother him one bit to coach England v the Aussies.
    He'd love to say "I told you so" to the cricket establishment here.
    The quandry for CA is who to pick, The ECB could be on a winner either way if they chose one of the two
     
  8. Drog

    Drog Administrator Staff Member

    Never mind putting the gloves on England and the selectors need to take em off! It's a series where strength of character is required more than any other cricketing series. Viv Richards prophetically said on the eve of the 1st test that the England team would be like 'kittens' in Australia without Ben Stokes! Anyone care to argue now after such a humiliation and with a Captain who whilst a superb batsman possesses the body language and demeanour of a limp David Gower? Where are the Trumans, Illingworths, Closes, Boycotts, Bothams, Lambs, Flintoffs these days? All superb cricketers and all possessed an incredible competitive, 'never give in' attitude.
    Have we forgotten the lessons learnt from Jardine and Larwood? They made the Aussies look like kittens and that series finished 4-1 too....... the right way!
     
  9. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    Drog, you mention Jardine and Larwood.
    That relationship was more like a "master/servant" one.
    IIrc , Larwood stated that he did as he was told, but it was against the way he wanted to bowl. He never liked Jardine.
    He came to live in Australia and died in Sydney some time back
     
  10. Drog

    Drog Administrator Staff Member

    Public school and privileged background v Nottinghamshire mining background. Who cares cos it worked a treat.
     
  11. OnlyOneTugay

    OnlyOneTugay Senior Member

    Well done England , well done Jason Roy . Excellent one day win
     
  12. Wilpshire Blue

    Wilpshire Blue Senior Member

    We now have the highest test score by a visiting batsman at the MCG and the highest one day score by any batsman.
    :)
     
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  13. davebirch

    davebirch Senior Member

    The Aussies have lost their way in the 50 over game.
    Warner was ill though, shouldn't have played.
     
  14. Drog

    Drog Administrator Staff Member

    As was joe root in the last test tbf.
     

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