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The Royal Engagement

yoda

yoda

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blueandwhitehalves said:
Yeah apologies Vinjay, was a bit rude to you there. For some reason digs at my intelligence always hit a nerve.

I understand wanting to support the principle of liberalism and being subject to nobody but I don't think the modern monarchy in any way resembles subjugation.

To me they're:
1. A tourism cash cow for the country to milk.
2. A useful failsafe in the event of a dangerous government being elected (just look at General Sisi saving Egypt from the vile Muslim Brotherhood, could be us one day the way things are going).
3. A likeable, decent bunch who are a reminder of this great country's history.
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Point 2 is becoming more important by the day
 
Drog

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Also they help bind the Commonwealth together.

For those who say the Monarch is a leech. I'll only pay any attention if that comes from somebody who has worked as many years as the Queen.
 
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ABBEY

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I shall be on the Moors near hull grafting ! Radio shall be turned off and Spotify at full blast .
 
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yoda said:
For someone not interested in it, you seem to be doing a lot of posting :p
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It's everywhere you can't miss it ..it's more brain dead TV than Simon cowpatt and ant n knob put together. At least 62 is gonna be quieter , may even chance a country run home over blubberhouses
 
Drog

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Indeed 'worked'. She does have a large box of paper work to get through every day.

Anyway as far as I can tell she's the only public servant in the bloody nation who hasn't grabbed a pay off and an early retirement (at the taxpayers expense) as soon as ever they can.
 
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Vinjay

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Drog said:
All you wrote applies even better to religion and various Gods. You should channel your energies to attack and do away with religion Vinjay because at least the Royal family actually exist.
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I've said before that religion does far more harm than good. Difference is though it's a very complex issue and can you really see religion being abolished? There's freedom of speech in this country and I'm talking about Christians, Jews, etc not just Muslims. History is full of scapegoats, persecution, etc and of course you could say groups like ISIS are the worst in that regard. Seeing everyone who does not agree with their beliefs as infidels, etc. It's tough to find a balance without denouncing those who practice a peaceful version of Islam and saying they aren't doing enough to combat extremist beliefs. Personally I'm glad it's not my decision on ways to deal with it. Perhaps mosque leaders should be extremely vocal and attempt to engage with everyone and anyone who wants to meet with them. It's tougher with entire Muslim communities and lack of integration, etc isn't just on their side.

The monarchy is a far more black and white issue for me. I'm not talking about Worldwide (all monarchies could be seen as outdated but some of them actually run their countries) but in this country it's outdated. How do they promote a forward thinking nation with this backwards mentality? They wouldn't have to lose their private assets.

Public servant? What nonsense it's the other way round do servants usually have people bowing to them? Bloody hell who will open another fete or cut a ribbon when she retires or dies. :rolleyes:.
 
yoda

yoda

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Vinjay said:
I've said before that religion does far more harm than good. Difference is though it's a very complex issue and can you really see religion being abolished? There's freedom of speech in this country and I'm talking about Christians, Jews, etc not just Muslims. History is full of scapegoats, persecution, etc and of course you could say groups like ISIS are the worst in that regard. Seeing everyone who does not agree with their beliefs as infidels, etc. It's tough to find a balance without denouncing those who practice a peaceful version of Islam and saying they aren't doing enough to combat extremist beliefs. Personally I'm glad it's not my decision on ways to deal with it. Perhaps mosque leaders should be extremely vocal and attempt to engage with everyone and anyone who wants to meet with them. It's tougher with entire Muslim communities and lack of integration, etc isn't just on their side.

The monarchy is a far more black and white issue for me. I'm not talking about Worldwide (all monarchies could be seen as outdated but some of them actually run their countries) but in this country it's outdated. How do they promote a forward thinking nation with this backwards mentality? They wouldn't have to lose their private assets.

Public servant? What nonsense it's the other way round do servants usually have people bowing to them? Bloody hell who will open another fete or cut a ribbon when she retires or dies. :rolleyes:.
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What would you put in place of the Monarchy Vinjay, you need a backup to the bandits in the House of Parliament
 
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Vinjay

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yoda said:
What would you put in place of the Monarchy Vinjay, you need a backup to the bandits in the House of Parliament
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At least they are elected (in the commons anyway)

I wouldn't put anything in place of it. The only real backup options would be in a state of emergency anyway though I don't know if Britain has a "designated survivor" so to speak. The military are hardly likely to attempt a coup (or have to prevent one) so what backup option is needed? I can't see the entire government collapsing on corruption, etc. If there's some major catastrophe like nuclear war, etc that's another matter. Of course there's contingency plans for that though hardly strong in a scenario that would lead to all out anarchy.
 
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Steve Moss

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Back up is always needed. Having a safety valve in the Queen if Parliament runs amok makes a certain amount of sense.

The real strength or public benefit of the monarchy is: 1) tourism revenue; and, 2) a unifying symbol of the Western world. The Queen has zero power in the USA for example, but has a lot of public goodwill. Mostly as she’s avoided taking sides too publicly on political issues, I presume.

So I see the sense in keeping the monarchy, even if I find the concept ridiculous.
 
yoda

yoda

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Vinjay said:
At least they are elected (in the commons anyway)

I wouldn't put anything in place of it. The only real backup options would be in a state of emergency anyway though I don't know if Britain has a "designated survivor" so to speak. The military are hardly likely to attempt a coup (or have to prevent one) so what backup option is needed? I can't see the entire government collapsing on corruption, etc. If there's some major catastrophe like nuclear war, etc that's another matter. Of course there's contingency plans for that though hardly strong in a scenario that would lead to all out anarchy.
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Without a back up, a political party with a big majority could start to change laws and become a dictatorship, when you have radicals bullying moderate candidates in selection processes you know something bad is planned. Our democracy may not be perfect but be careful what you wish for
 
davebirch

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The Queen's political powers are very limited.
She generally has to take the advice of the prime minister of the day.
The real escape clause for the people (short of a revolution) is via the ballot box.
It's one very good reason for making voting compulsory, (sorry, I should say attendance at a voting booth should be mandatory. Whether they vote at that stage or not, at least they have got off their arses and made a decision).
Me? I'm a republican. Let the people choose.

And no, I won't be watching this "Royal" wedding.
It's either Police Academy 2, or Where Eagles Dare followed by Kelly's Heroes.
 
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