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Drog

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For those old enough to remember him....... Ian St John has gone today aged 84.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
Yes just on Radio Five discussing him. For a lot of people he was part of their childhood with the Saint and Greavsie show which we watched in the pub pre game! RIP
 

Drog

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He was part of my childhood playing up top for Livvie with Roger Hunt and Tony Hately.
 

Alan

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I used to watch him in Saint and Greavesie. Is Jimmie Greaves still ticking?
Edit - Yes he is but he's very ill.
 

Husky

Senior Member
I used to watch him in Saint and Greavesie. Is Jimmie Greaves still ticking?
Edit - Yes he is but he's very ill.
It´s been over a year since that documentary about him was on TV. I certainly wouldn´t have put money on him outliving the saint bearing in mind what condition he looked in.
Still, it´s further proof of the big lie that people are ´living longer´ so that´s why the retirement age is going up and up. But the reality in most cases is that people are just ´being kept alive longer´.
MASSIVE DIFFERENCE!
 

Drog

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If we did wasn't that '87 and the day of the Bradford fire?
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
Course it was. That Saint and Greavsie episode was 89, Hillsborough year.
 

Drog

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I'd read that he was in a hospice a couple of weeks ago. He had one hell of a shot in him.
 

Old Darwen Blue

Prediction Champion 2021 & 2022
RIP Peter Lorimer reputed to have the second hardest shot in football after the Leeds keeper David Harvey.
 

Drog

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They were the best team Al. Also whilst they wouldn't and couldn't be intimidated I'm not sure about the 'dirtiest'. There were lots of cloggers back then and the rules allowed them to do it too! Slide tackles through the back of an opponents legs were met with a booking by about the third time. The first two were freebies it seemed. Fisticuffs were a regular occurrence, initiated usually by players who had just been chopped down from the back!:D
Leeds enforcer was Hunter but they had other toughies in Charlton and Bremner although in most professionals opinion Johnny Giles was the silent assassin who could go in to damage an opponent but make it look like a fair tackle.
But lets rem every team had dirty players.. Tommy Smith at Liverpool was a right dirty bastard, Ron Yeats could do a bit too and when they packed up they bought Souness. Man Utd had the evil midfield pair of Paddy Crerand and Fitzpatrick, Arsenal's hatchetman was Peter Storey whilst Chelsea had any number led obviously by Chopper Harris.
As far as we were concerned my Dad always reckoned John Bray was a dirty bastard and I recall Fergy could really punish opponents too. Both of those were unofficially Duggies 'minders' who went out under the instruction if anyone clatters Bryan make sure they only do it once! Most teams had them, Shankly followed by Docherty looked after Sir Tom at PNE, Andy Lochhead centre forward at Burnley made centre halves quake in their boots whilst Bolton seemed to have an entire back line tough nuts including Farrimond, Hartle and Ritson.

They were all dirty bastards who were frequently but mistakenly described as 'hard men'. They were in fact nothing of the sort. The real hard men were the good players who took dreadful punishment week in week out from those twats and still came back for more the week after! Finney, Duggie, Greaves, Best etc... they were 'well hard'.
 

Alan

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They were the best team Al. Also whilst they wouldn't and couldn't be intimidated I'm not sure about the 'dirtiest'. There were lots of cloggers back then and the rules allowed them to do it too! Slide tackles through the back of an opponents legs were met with a booking by about the third time. The first two were freebies it seemed. Fisticuffs were a regular occurrence, initiated usually by players who had just been chopped down from the back!:D
Leeds enforcer was Hunter but they had other toughies in Charlton and Bremner although in most professionals opinion Johnny Giles was the silent assassin who could go in to damage an opponent but make it look like a fair tackle.
But lets rem every team had dirty players.. Tommy Smith at Liverpool was a right dirty bastard, Ron Yeats could do a bit too and when they packed up they bought Souness. Man Utd had the evil midfield pair of Paddy Crerand and Fitzpatrick, Arsenal's hatchetman was Peter Storey whilst Chelsea had any number led obviously by Chopper Harris.
As far as we were concerned my Dad always reckoned John Bray was a dirty bastard and I recall Fergy could really punish opponents too. Both of those were unofficially Duggies 'minders' who went out under the instruction if anyone clatters Bryan make sure they only do it once! Most teams had them, Shankly followed by Docherty looked after Sir Tom at PNE, Andy Lochhead centre forward at Burnley made centre halves quake in their boots whilst Bolton seemed to have an entire back line tough nuts including Farrimond, Hartle and Ritson.

They were all dirty bastards who were frequently but mistakenly described as 'hard men'. They were in fact nothing of the sort. The real hard men were the good players who took dreadful punishment week in week out from those twats and still came back for more the week after! Finney, Duggie, Greaves, Best etc... they were 'well hard'.
Leeds had more than their fair share though and in fact when Brian Clough went in as manager it is reported that he told the team to forget that they had won the league because they had won it by unfair tactics. He didn't last long but, as usual, Cloughie had it right.
 
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