Venky's judgement

[blueandwhitehalves]

Don't you think its time to get over it at some point Abbey?

Venkys are the reason we were relegated from the premiership, but they aren't the reason we won't get promoted back to it. We're just not a big enough club, we generate nowhere near enough internal revenue, and we'd need either owners with £50-100m to pump in, or a genius manager like Burnley got.

Next season we'll be exactly where we would be under almost any owners and almost any managers, the Championship. If that ain't good enough for fans then they have to accept they have unrealistic expectations rather than its all Venkys fault.

 

[Drog]

Great start if we can sign Armstrong, Chapman and Payne for £5m or less the lot. Mowbray screwed up with Whittingham, Antonsson, Caddis and Gladwin but he certainly got those three above along with Dack and Smallwood right.

 

[yoda]

Don't you think its time to get over it at some point Abbey?

Venkys are the reason we were relegated from the premiership, but they aren't the reason we won't get promoted back to it. We're just not a big enough club, we generate nowhere near enough internal revenue, and we'd need either owners with £50-100m to pump in, or a genius manager like Burnley got.

Next season we'll be exactly where we would be under almost any owners and almost any managers, the Championship. If that ain't good enough for fans then they have to accept they have unrealistic expectations rather than its all Venkys fault.

It's definately the Venky's fault it happened on their watch (and didn't need to happen), as for not being a big enough club, we are past experts at punching above our weight (what ever that means) that is what makes us Blackburn Rovers, THE most successful town football club on the planet

 

[ABBEY]

Don't you think its time to get over it at some point Abbey?

Venkys are the reason we were relegated from the premiership, but they aren't the reason we won't get promoted back to it. We're just not a big enough club, we generate nowhere near enough internal revenue, and we'd need either owners with £50-100m to pump in, or a genius manager like Burnley got.

Next season we'll be exactly where we would be under almost any owners and almost any managers, the Championship. If that ain't good enough for fans then they have to accept they have unrealistic expectations rather than its all Venkys fault.

not until i draw my last breath and even then i want to become a ghost and haunt them for all eternity

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

It's definately the Venky's fault it happened on their watch (and didn't need to happen), as for not being a big enough club, we are past experts at punching above our weight (what ever that means) that is what makes us Blackburn Rovers, THE most successful town football club on the planet

Well like I said its their fault we got relegated but if we could magically swap Venkys out tomorrow for 99.99% of club owners in world football, there’s still no way we’d get in the Premiership.

I agree we were phenomenal in the 00s at staying above our weight once Jack got us there to begin with. But there’s nobody to get us there now, Venkys or anyone else won’t be a Jack Walker because you can’t grow a club like Rovers, it’s not a good investment. A lifelong fan may throw money down the Rovers pan but nobody else is gonna.

 

[Drog]

Well like I said its their fault we got relegated but if we could magically swap Venkys out tomorrow for 99.99% of club owners in world football, there’s still no way we’d get in the Premiership.

I agree we were phenomenal in the 00s at staying above our weight once Jack got us there to begin with. But there’s nobody to get us there now, Venkys or anyone else won’t be a Jack Walker because you can’t grow a club like Rovers, it’s not a good investment. A lifelong fan may throw money down the Rovers pan but nobody else is gonna.

Tales of the Walker Family's wealth are legendary BUT the disposable wealth required to get and keep a small town team in the top 4 or 6 even in the Premier League exceeds the combined wealth of the entire Walker Family by a country mile. Anybody who is looking for the next Uncle Jack are simply deluding themselves. Those days have been and gone. We had serious wealth back then and now many clubs can boast wealth which blows us out of the water now, Our ability to generate income isn't at all great in comparison to the big City boys either. As Mowbray pointed out after the Doncaster result there are 12 teams in the Championship who are still drawing parachute payments and as such can outbid us for fun in the transfer (and wages) market.
Even the phenomenal away support for a club our size doesn't help us financially and anyone who has refused to get a season ticket for Ewood and travels away instead is about as much use to the club as a chocolate teapot.
As far as I can see only a strong management team and strong support from the locals will see us progress. If that support holds up when we are no longer the big fish in the pond I seriously doubt.

 

[yoda]

Well like I said its their fault we got relegated but if we could magically swap Venkys out tomorrow for 99.99% of club owners in world football, there’s still no way we’d get in the Premiership.

I agree we were phenomenal in the 00s at staying above our weight once Jack got us there to begin with. But there’s nobody to get us there now, Venkys or anyone else won’t be a Jack Walker because you can’t grow a club like Rovers, it’s not a good investment. A lifelong fan may throw money down the Rovers pan but nobody else is gonna.

This may hurt, Burnley have done it

 

[AllRoverAsia]

Don't you think its time to get over it at some point Abbey?

Venkys are the reason we were relegated from the premiership, but they aren't the reason we won't get promoted back to it. We're just not a big enough club, we generate nowhere near enough internal revenue, and we'd need either owners with £50-100m to pump in, or a genius manager like Burnley got.

Next season we'll be exactly where we would be under almost any owners and almost any managers, the Championship. If that ain't good enough for fans then they have to accept they have unrealistic expectations rather than its all Venkys fault.

If something has been stolen from you it is not an unrealistic ambition to want it back.

What is odd is to want to continue with being fucked up the arse by the thieves.

The vermin throw us scraps and we are supposed to be happy ? Well feck that.

I am in Abbey's corner on this one.

Don't anyone come back wirh "small town club" "above our weight" crap...I ain't listening.

The vermin are absolutely loaded and could easily bankroll us in a serious drive to the PL, whatever it cost.

If they choose not to do so then why continue to own us?

Only in the PL can there be any chance of them recovering what their accounts say they have spent.

 

[ABBEY]

exactly ,dingles, bournmouth, hudds etc...

 

[AllRoverAsia]

This may hurt, Burnley have done it

It does hurt but Burnley did it by prudent Owner and Board decisions and sensible managerial appointments, not spectacular or experimental ones. We did the complete opposite.

@Drog The PL consists of more than the top 4 or 6 and the day you stop to aspire is the day to put the clogs back on.

Our name and history is still immense and Venkys have had offers that they have rejected.

Anyway I myself would be ok with Rovers in the Championship with owners I did not want disappeared.

 

[Drog]

If something has been stolen from you it is not an unrealistic ambition to want it back.

What is odd is to want to continue with being fucked up the arse by the thieves.

The vermin throw us scraps and we are supposed to be happy ? Well feck that.

I am in Abbey's corner on this one.

Don't anyone come back wirh "small town club" "above our weight" crap...I ain't listening.

The vermin are absolutely loaded and could easily bankroll us in a serious drive to the PL, whatever it cost.

If they choose not to do so then why continue to own us?

Only in the PL can there be any chance of them recovering what their accounts say they have spent.

I disagree with most of that but I totally agree with your final sentence.

 

[Drog]

exactly ,dingles, bournmouth, hudds etc...

I did say top 6. However all those will be starting next season and every season in a relegation battle until the inevitable happens. Without hope supporting a football team ain't up to much.

 

[Drog]

Anyway I myself would be ok with Rovers in the Championship with owners I did not want disappeared.

Me too.

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

exactly ,dingles, bournmouth, hudds etc...

Clubs smaller than Rovers and in the Premiership:
Burnley, Bournemouth, Watford. (3)

Clubs bigger than Rovers and not in the Premiership:
Wolves, Cardiff, Fulham, Villa, Middlesbrough, Derby, Sheff Utd, Leeds, Norwich, Sheff Wed, Forest, Hull, Reading, Birmingham, Bolton, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bradford. (18)

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

If something has been stolen from you it is not an unrealistic ambition to want it back.

What is odd is to want to continue with being fucked up the arse by the thieves.

The vermin throw us scraps and we are supposed to be happy ? Well feck that.

I am in Abbey's corner on this one.

Don't anyone come back wirh "small town club" "above our weight" crap...I ain't listening.

The vermin are absolutely loaded and could easily bankroll us in a serious drive to the PL, whatever it cost.

If they choose not to do so then why continue to own us?

Only in the PL can there be any chance of them recovering what their accounts say they have spent.

What would it cost to get Rovers promoted next season? I'd say 4 very good players at an absolute minimum. Say they each cost £10m and are on £30k a week on 4 year-contracts, plus appearance bonus, goal bonus, promotion bonus etc. You're looking at £80m, for 4 players. Almost double what Rovers have cost Venkys in 8 years, spent in the next 4 months, for I'd say a 50/50 shot at promotion.

And even if that came off, how long would it take for Venkys to get the then nearly £200m spent on Rovers back once in the Premiership? You need to vastly increase your wage/transfer budget once there to stay there, so they'd maybe be able to squirrel away £20m a season max. Meaning 10 years in the PL, an almost impossible challenge, just for Venkys to break even overall.

Or they cut their current losses, give Mowbray the bare minimum to survive, and over the next few years slowly bring our wage budget in line with revenue generated by the fanbase.

 

[Alan]

Are you going to pass the strychnine around B&W or do we all have to supply our own?

 

[blueandwhitehalves]

Are you going to pass the strychnine around B&W or do we all have to supply our own?

 

[Drog]

What would it cost to get Rovers promoted next season? I'd say 4 very good players at an absolute minimum. Say they each cost £10m and are on £30k a week on 4 year-contracts, plus appearance bonus, goal bonus, promotion bonus etc. You're looking at £80m, for 4 players. Almost double what Rovers have cost Venkys in 8 years, spent in the next 4 months, for I'd say a 50/50 shot at promotion.

And even if that came off, how long would it take for Venkys to get the then nearly £200m spent on Rovers back once in the Premiership? You need to vastly increase your wage/transfer budget once there to stay there, so they'd maybe be able to squirrel away £20m a season max. Meaning 10 years in the PL, an almost impossible challenge, just for Venkys to break even overall.

Or they cut their current losses, give Mowbray the bare minimum to survive, and over the next few years slowly bring our wage budget in line with revenue generated by the fanbase.

Good, clear and unbiased thinking. A rarity on football messageboards.

 

[Alan]

Good, clear and unbiased thinking. A rarity on football messageboards.

With a very negative slant. Why keep the club at all if that is the owners attitude. They could have done that last season but didn't.

 

[darrenrover]

What would it cost to get Rovers promoted next season? I'd say 4 very good players at an absolute minimum. Say they each cost £10m and are on £30k a week on 4 year-contracts, plus appearance bonus, goal bonus, promotion bonus etc. You're looking at £80m, for 4 players. Almost double what Rovers have cost Venkys in 8 years, spent in the next 4 months, for I'd say a 50/50 shot at promotion.

And even if that came off, how long would it take for Venkys to get the then nearly £200m spent on Rovers back once in the Premiership? You need to vastly increase your wage/transfer budget once there to stay there, so they'd maybe be able to squirrel away £20m a season max. Meaning 10 years in the PL, an almost impossible challenge, just for Venkys to break even overall.

Or they cut their current losses, give Mowbray the bare minimum to survive, and over the next few years slowly bring our wage budget in line with revenue generated by the fanbase.

I don't disagree with your reasoning but that's just looking at the potential at recouping the loss from trading should we manage to get promoted to the PL.
If that did happen, what would the value of the club be then should they decide to sell it?

If some of the figures being bandied about for the sale of other clubs, Dingles for example, of £200 million are to be believed, then they're sorted. As things currently stand, the club is worth 2/3 of bugger all.

If they're as wealthy as we're lead to believe, it would be wise to twist?